Well, I’m glad we had this conversation and wish you all the best for the future. Thank you for your time.

It isn’t just the negatives of what they are doing. But also the positives of what I am doing.

That still sounds like you’re making it more about you than about them. And if that’s the case, you’ll likely continue to get subpar results.

Also, this isn’t a debate, I’m just presenting you with the same information help me change my mind. And I’m not going to argue about it, you can take it or leave it.

See? Now you know how it feels to be on the other side of what you say you are doing.

Yeah, insulting the people you’d like to receive charity from isn’t likely going to win you a lot of friends, and neither is threating them with robbery. And I’m not saying that if they’re serious about their faith, they shouldn’t at least try and make an effort to have mercy on someone who acts like this anyways (Love your enemies and all that), but you have to at least be willing to recognize that this is perhaps THE single most difficult teaching in the Bible for most people to accept, and few ever reach that level of perfection in their faith, so you’re likely going to be waiting a very long time.

The intent is to present snippets of information over a period of time and allow them to connect the dots.

Yes, I understand that, but what I’m telling you that it’s a mistake to assume that everyone will process the information you find convincing in the same way that you did, and on top of that, it can come off as an imposition because you’re basically asking them to do all of the work you already did on yourself, without offering them much of a benefit in return other than your own satisfaction in being right. And I know this kinda sucks, but sometimes that isn’t enough.

Let’s take your veganism as an example: if you only present them with reasons for why eating meat is bad, all you’ll likely achieve is them feeling bad about their meat habit, but it’s likely not enough for them to consider ditching it. In some countries, they make cigarette manufacturers print gruesome pictures of cancerous lungs and stillborn babies over half the front of the package, yet some people still continue to smoke. Sure, I bet that at least some people are scared out of ever trying it, but those who’ve already acquired a comfortable habit aren’t likely to stop, they’ll simply avoid looking at the pictures.

If you want to convince someone to at least make an effort, you’ll have to give them a little more than that, something they can’t get if they continue in their old ways. Like, maybe cook them a killer vegan dish that has them drooling for a week, and offer to teach them how to make it if they’re interested. I dated a vegan/vegetarian girl before who knew her way around the kitchen, so I know these recipes exist.

Also, be prepared to compromise and meet them in the middle if necessary (i.e. reducing their meat intake to maybe a few days a week). Despite my outmost love and respect for my ex’s mad kitchen skills, I never really managed to ditch the meat habit entirely. No matter how much effort she put in, every now and then, l still found myself with a hole in my stomach only a juicy steak could fill. However, I DID end up eating far less meat than before, and when I did, I could afford to buy much higher quality (grass-fed, organic, free range, etc.), which I think is still a win overall, because it promotes animal welfare by taking the money that would have otherwise gone to gruesome factory farms to responsible, ethical, family farmers that treat their animals with love and respect.

In summary, don’t just present people with the negative aspects of their behavior, offer them some real, tangible benefits in return. You catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar.

You sure it’s not Dunder-Mifflin?

Alright, well, I disagree with your methods but I appreciate your honesty.

I mean, they kinda are. And necessary as though they sometimes might be, I think it’s a mistake to believe that they are the ultimate solution to everything that ails society, because they always end up creating their own set of problems, like entitlement mentality, welfare dependency, and even fraud.

And perhaps that’s what Jesus was onto with the thing about not sounding the trumpet before you when you do it, because isn’t that what politicians who promote these sort of things often end up doing? Running on a platform to increase welfare spending is pretty much the definition of tooting your own horn about how much of a good person you are, because it seeks to create the impression that you care more about the poor than everyone else, when you’re in fact spending other people’s money to do so.

Sorry, but that really has nothing to do with real charity IMO.

This has a very “facts don’t care about your feelings” kinda vibe to it, which I honestly understand, but seems to ignore the fact that feelings don’t care about your facts. When people hold irrational opinions, that’s by definition not based on objective reality, but likely some sort of personal experience.

Perhaps try asking them where their views come from? Ideally in a non-confrontational way, because they might already be aware of their internal conflicts but too ashamed to admit them. Some people are afraid of water because their parents just threw them in a pool and expected them to figure out how to swim by themselves or something like that. It’s not rational from the perspective of someone who learned how to swim in a healthy and normal way, yet it’s also kinda rational from the perspective of someone who was traumatized in the process.

Of course, that’s not an easy solution because you might have to be willing to do some work in order to help them overcome their trauma (should they be willing to do so), but it probably has a better chance of changing their minds than presenting them with a list of facts has (which is kinda passive-aggressive if you think about it). Of course, they might also say no to your offer, in which case you still have the option to decide where to go from there.

Dunning-Kruger is a hell of a drug.

But mandatory charity is not charity at all, it’s just highway robbery. Doesn’t matter how fairly the spoils are divided.

From a Christian perspective, I fell like this is actually quite a difficult issue. While Matthew 6:1-4 is very clear that charitable deeds should be done in secret in order to be rewarded by God, but in a cutthroat society such as ours, sometimes I feel like even the idea that someone, somewhere out there is at least trying to do some good in the world can be a worthwhile reminder that kindness is not dead.

Shame on him if it was an attempt to virtue signal to his paying clients, but if it was a genuine attempt to do some good, I can’t condemn him.

Everyone believes that their hatred is more righteous than everyone else’s.

anarcho-communist sounds even more retarded tbh

Accurate AF

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