I recently learned that voting on lemmy is not anonymous. Anyone can get information about who has upvoted and downvoted a post or comment.

In combination with your IP, this is a massive privacy (maybe even physical security) risk. Also, people can target you for your votes.

Sadly, this is something where I would prefer Reddit over Lemmy. Big tech scrapes data from both places anyways, at least Reddit is safe.

  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    It’s not something I usually do, but I’m tired of not calling out people on shitty opinions in regards to fascism. especially when it comes to a simple perspective of “this bad thing is bad”.

    it’s like someone downvoting because a comment said “fuck cancer”. like…why? my mind can’t even fathom why anyone would dislike that kind of message unless they themselves are cancer or advocate for the advancement of cancer.

    typically I don’t give a shit about downvotes, but it just really rubbed me the wrong way.

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      2 days ago

      People are free to their opinions. Not everyone will fit into your concept of ethics. If you are calling out someone for their non-conventional opinion, you are against free speech.

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        I feel like you misunderstand what free speech is.

        Calling someone out for any opinion is part of free speech.

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            2 days ago

            To elaborate, the ability to call someone out is literally “free speech”. The backlash you may get for said call out, in speech form, is also part of free speech.

            If the government locks you up for what you said, that is not free speech.

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              20 hours ago

              Arguably it’s also not free speech if a community allows targeted harassment campaigns but that certainly doesn’t apply to random single comments and moderators exist to hopefully prevent or minimize that.

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                If you say something that the community doesn’t like and they say “hey we don’t like this” on mass. That is still free speech. They didn’t say you can’t say it. They just disagree. I feel like your argument is incorrect.

                You can go take your free thought to another community where it would be welcomed. The platform or community isn’t required to agree on mass or take bs without responding in kind.

                How is the ability to say your thoughts impairing your speech?

                Edit: Also I feel like you ignored this sentence:

                The backlash you may get for said call out, in speech form, is also part of free speech.

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                  You’re ignoring their concerns about harassment campaigns, which not only happen, but happen on Lemmy specifically due to public voting.

                  It’s half of the reason Hexbear keeps going through defederation and refrigeration cycles, for example.

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                    51 minutes ago

                    A platform isn’t required to give you free speech. You can stand on a corner and talk. A platform like lemmy, doesn’t have to follow free speech. Being harassed on lemmy because you used speech and others are using speech, every has free speech.

                    Let’s put it another way, if you stood on the corner and said stupid shit and everyone walked by and said that is stupid, is that harassment or you being stupid?

      • If you are calling out someone for their non-conventional opinion, you are against free speech.

        Nope, that’s not what that means. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences of your speech and it doesn’t mean guaranteed anonymous speech. And as far as the constitution is concerned, the right to freedom of speech only means the government can’t stop you from expressing your opinion.

        So you have the right to say what you want without government interference, but other people can tell you that what you said is shitty, your employer can fire you because you opinion isn’t consistent with their values, the forum/venue where you expressed your opinion can ban you, etc.

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        Free speech just means the government isn’t allowed to punish you for only saying things (and even that had a whole constellation of big fuckin asterisks on it). Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences.