They weren’t worried about the tax man, but only a fool would believe there were zero authorities that would question someone suddenly coming upon wealth
And what sort of a fool would live under some state’s power while actively practicing piracy?
You’re just gonna get the crew to drop you off after four to see your wife and kids? Take the weekend off, park the pirate sloop in the harbor?
Pirates didn’t participate in high society. Or any state-sponsored society for that matter. They had their own societies.
They still needed to interact with society. Do you think most ports weren’t controlled by some kind of authority that you’d have to get some kind of either favor or believability with? I’m not saying they had to establish a provable paper trail like today, but merely divert poignant questions.
Pirates weren’t pirates just to pirate things… not the successful ones, anyways. To think they’d have no need to enage with normal society is … just silly.
To think they’d have no need to enage with normal society is … just silly.
Honestly, it’s now been a few decades and gonna have to say, even if I feel like an old man yelling at the skies, it does feel like people on the internet just used to be smarter and humbler.
I just linked you two articles which detail almost a century of the golden age of piracy, during which private havens, aka complete societies which were either under weak states which tolerated/allowed or even sponsored piracy, or completely self governing communities. Either way, they were complete communities. There are people who lived their entire lived in cities like Port Royal and Tortuga.
Tortuga is 183 square kilometres. These weren’t tiny outposts in which pirates hid from the authorities. They were prosperous and wild, but complete societies.
To not even glimpse at the basic material when it’s literally shoved in your face, yet still have the gall to argue as if you knew the subject? The internet was better 25-20 years ago without the normies.
My point was they’d still have some need to launder money. Or do you think it was just a walk in the park to get tons of gold and avoid all the people you’ve just robbed?
Even if laundering money was just as easy for some as going to the right port and melting it down DOES NOT erase the long history of laundering and subterfuge.
A single time period with single instances where pirates were the police does not magically remove the MUCH larger history of civilization.
They had their own islands and cities which they could defend.
Yes, they absolutely could avoid anyone they just robbed. That’s why they did it.
Honestly you still haven’t even glimpsed at the articles yet, have you?
“much larger history of civilization”
Pirates are still a thing. Less so, but they are.
It was just the golden age of piracy because of just how far spread it was and how little any state could oppose them. Lots of states allowed and supported it, as per common knowledge and me now reiterating it for the second time.
The topic was why pirates would need to launder. Not that every pirate that ever existed needed to launder. Now take your fucking pathetic reading comprehension somewhere else.
That’s rather ironic, seeing as you straight up refuse to read and keep arguing about something you clearly don’t know jack shit about.
Anyone participating in piracy would be hanged in those non-supporting places which didn’t accept piracy. The place which weren’t the pirate havens I’ve now linked several times.
First, they usually didn’t end up with money, but with wares more than gold. Secondly, neither of that is in anything way trackable. Thirdly, they can just go and sell it in a pirate haven and then travel in disguise to a place somewhere else to spend it. Who do you think theyre having to hide their wealth from?
You’re just incredibly mad you said something you didn’t think through and even though you now realise how silly it was, you can’t even stop, but just keep digging yourself deeper.
What’s hilarious is you constantly arguing against a point that was never made. To think the existence of pirate cities completely removes any need to launder money is both hilarious and pathetic of you.
You’ve never explained any need for any “money laundering”.
It’s as if you’re arguing that because roads were muddy in the 1600’s, there had to have been car washing places. Equally silly.
If there was even a whiff of piracy about you, you could be hanged. So you’d probably avoid living in places that would do that to pirates. You have to launder your entire life, not just your money. And then that would mean you couldn’t have your pirate life.
So no, pirates didn’t “launder money.” Hell, bank notes didn’t even exist. Weirdly the fall of piracy coincides with the rise of large colonial powers with central banks. What a weird coincidink, huh? Except it’s not. There’s heavy causation, as bank notes — unlike gold or silver or wares — would be practically worthless to pirates.
However, money laundering as a concept as such is from the 1920s or thereabouts. You know how Al Capone going to prison for tax fraud was a big thing at the time? They couldn’t catch him on anything, so they caught him on taxes. And specific anti-money laundering legislation didn’t arrive until like the 80’s,
You’re just simply pushing a notion you have to historic frameworks that have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Do explain to me, what would they “launder” their “money” for, and how? Give me specifics, please. (This is rhetorical, because you’re full of bullshit and those reasons don’t exist you silly monkey.)
And what sort of a fool would live under some state’s power while actively practicing piracy?
You’re just gonna get the crew to drop you off after four to see your wife and kids? Take the weekend off, park the pirate sloop in the harbor?
Pirates didn’t participate in high society. Or any state-sponsored society for that matter. They had their own societies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_haven
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Piracy
They still needed to interact with society. Do you think most ports weren’t controlled by some kind of authority that you’d have to get some kind of either favor or believability with? I’m not saying they had to establish a provable paper trail like today, but merely divert poignant questions.
Pirates weren’t pirates just to pirate things… not the successful ones, anyways. To think they’d have no need to enage with normal society is … just silly.
Honestly, it’s now been a few decades and gonna have to say, even if I feel like an old man yelling at the skies, it does feel like people on the internet just used to be smarter and humbler.
I just linked you two articles which detail almost a century of the golden age of piracy, during which private havens, aka complete societies which were either under weak states which tolerated/allowed or even sponsored piracy, or completely self governing communities. Either way, they were complete communities. There are people who lived their entire lived in cities like Port Royal and Tortuga.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Piracy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_haven
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortuga_(Haiti)
Tortuga is 183 square kilometres. These weren’t tiny outposts in which pirates hid from the authorities. They were prosperous and wild, but complete societies.
To not even glimpse at the basic material when it’s literally shoved in your face, yet still have the gall to argue as if you knew the subject? The internet was better 25-20 years ago without the normies.
My point was they’d still have some need to launder money. Or do you think it was just a walk in the park to get tons of gold and avoid all the people you’ve just robbed?
Even if laundering money was just as easy for some as going to the right port and melting it down DOES NOT erase the long history of laundering and subterfuge.
A single time period with single instances where pirates were the police does not magically remove the MUCH larger history of civilization.
They had their own islands and cities which they could defend.
Yes, they absolutely could avoid anyone they just robbed. That’s why they did it.
Honestly you still haven’t even glimpsed at the articles yet, have you?
“much larger history of civilization”
Pirates are still a thing. Less so, but they are.
It was just the golden age of piracy because of just how far spread it was and how little any state could oppose them. Lots of states allowed and supported it, as per common knowledge and me now reiterating it for the second time.
Tldr, my point is that you’re wrong.
The topic was why pirates would need to launder. Not that every pirate that ever existed needed to launder. Now take your fucking pathetic reading comprehension somewhere else.
That’s rather ironic, seeing as you straight up refuse to read and keep arguing about something you clearly don’t know jack shit about.
Anyone participating in piracy would be hanged in those non-supporting places which didn’t accept piracy. The place which weren’t the pirate havens I’ve now linked several times.
First, they usually didn’t end up with money, but with wares more than gold. Secondly, neither of that is in anything way trackable. Thirdly, they can just go and sell it in a pirate haven and then travel in disguise to a place somewhere else to spend it. Who do you think theyre having to hide their wealth from?
You’re just incredibly mad you said something you didn’t think through and even though you now realise how silly it was, you can’t even stop, but just keep digging yourself deeper.
Hilarious.
What’s hilarious is you constantly arguing against a point that was never made. To think the existence of pirate cities completely removes any need to launder money is both hilarious and pathetic of you.
You’ve never explained any need for any “money laundering”.
It’s as if you’re arguing that because roads were muddy in the 1600’s, there had to have been car washing places. Equally silly.
If there was even a whiff of piracy about you, you could be hanged. So you’d probably avoid living in places that would do that to pirates. You have to launder your entire life, not just your money. And then that would mean you couldn’t have your pirate life.
So no, pirates didn’t “launder money.” Hell, bank notes didn’t even exist. Weirdly the fall of piracy coincides with the rise of large colonial powers with central banks. What a weird coincidink, huh? Except it’s not. There’s heavy causation, as bank notes — unlike gold or silver or wares — would be practically worthless to pirates.
However, money laundering as a concept as such is from the 1920s or thereabouts. You know how Al Capone going to prison for tax fraud was a big thing at the time? They couldn’t catch him on anything, so they caught him on taxes. And specific anti-money laundering legislation didn’t arrive until like the 80’s,
You’re just simply pushing a notion you have to historic frameworks that have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Do explain to me, what would they “launder” their “money” for, and how? Give me specifics, please. (This is rhetorical, because you’re full of bullshit and those reasons don’t exist you silly monkey.)