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    I wish I had fuck you money. I’d use it to bankroll the development of LibreOffice and all the other alternatives to MS365 and get them integrated. Then I’d start a massive training program to teach people how to use them.

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    Micropenis still thinking they can use their “monopoly” to their advantage is cute. Js giving Linux and other competitors a higher marketshare for free

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      I don’t trust any of these “giving pledges” upon death. In name, their fortunes will pass on to nonprofits. Nonprofits controlled by their family members, which comes down to letting them keep their inheritances tax-free. This even happens in Europe.

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        If old rich fucks had giving in their hearts, they would want to see some good shit done with the fruits of their “labor” (lol) while they are alive.

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        Yup it’s mostly bullshit. Someone, somewhere might benefit, but certainly not any of the people within two thousands miles of where the rich guy lived. Which is still better than nothing, but Bill Gates could end homelessness in America immediately if he chose to do so. (I’m not saying it would be easy or fast, just that he has the money to make it happen.) He could make ALL COLLEGE FREE for students. Musk could have too, likely for less than he spent on Twitter.

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    Google offers workspace for free to nonprofits, Including device management. No one, I know in nonprofits even fucks with Microsoft because they’re so ridiculous. Now it’ll be even less people.

    Google now has the market cornered because they aren’t as greedy.

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      Google offered Workspace free to individuals. I set that up and used it for my family, and then BAM! After a lomg time using it, they removed the free plan, once we were using it for logins for a bunch of sites and for our emails. Went from free to $50 per month. It took a LOT of effort to get my family off of that. Never again.

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      Hey remember when Google used to have a motto, “Don’t be evil”?

      Used to.

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        Yes, but it’s essentially the difference between the greed of an ancient red wyrm, (Microsoft) and an adolescent white wyrm. (Alphabet)

        The white guy is almost a cutie next to the red one. They’re still both chromatic dragons, and therefore evil. One is just leaning more towards lawful evil, and the other seems to have embraced chaotic evil

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      I’ve read horror stories of an employee doing something on their own personal account and Google locking out the whole business. Hopefully they fixed that idea because it would sink business uptake.

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        I made accounts for my board of directors, two of them got “permanently suspended” because of “violating the TOS” before they even logged in. Had to delete and recreate them. So it’s not perfect, but for free, I do manage.

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    Yet again, I laugh, and remark ‘People still use Windows? People still use MSFT products?’

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        There are absolutely large orgs in the Google and Apple ecosystems. My org, for example, doesn’t use Microsoft except for a smattering of Excel and Word subscriptions to deal with some customer documents that aren’t handled well by Google Docs and Google Sheets.

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          Yeah, anyone who uses Excel on a professional level can tell you Google sheets etc are NO substitute for Excel. Just so many things the competitors just can’t do

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            For financials, only the companies still in the dark ages depend on Excel rather than real ERP or accounting software.

            Sheets handles pretty much all typical business needs, but we do run into issues if we’re collaborating with another company that is using macros or something in Excel.

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      Sadly. An example: I work at a small school that does not have an IT department. Staff and teachers are nearly IT-illiterate, and the students can hardly be coaxed to do stuff on a laptop instead of their phones. So installing Linux would add an additional hurdle for both. Probably much smaller than they think, but still: it heightens the threshold to even consider switching to Linux.

      There’s a few people who know that Linux is just as valid as Windows, but who would they trust to make the switch safely. Me? I’m not a professional. So they’d have to pay someone, properly. And then it all comes down to money again which usually comes down to “let’s not change anything”.

      So for now I’d just be happy if they used LibreOffice instead of MS365.

      The same goes for Google Workspace. Making the effort to roll your own (totally possible with FOSS) would require to pay at least 1 person, and some sort of transitional period. It’s cheaper and easier to pay none and just blame it on Google when things don’t work as desired. These people just don’t see it as a priority. Don’t understand the dangers.

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        Yep.

        MSFT will continue to enshittify, people who point out this will happen will be poo-poo’d because switching would be complicated and costly…

        … But, having to panic switch sometime down the road, because an entire class of software features or pricing models drastically alter with little warning…

        … Well then, in the long run, it would have been less costly to start the migration strategy earlier.

        I have seen this play out at every single company or non profit I have ever worked at, and I have learned to leave about 6 months after a planned migration/mitigation strategy gets canned as too costly and unnecessary… because usually, 6 months or so after that, every one is now in panic mode, and my workload would triple.

        Including literally at MSFT itself.

        The managers and corporate don’t know anything other than maximize short term profits, and have astounding levels of normalcy bias; even if you can present a well resesrched, realistic scenario with detailed costs over time for different strategies… they basically always assume things will just be fine, untill its far too late.

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      Especially when you can use literally any other word process and program and save in Microsoft document formats.

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      Yeah office isn’t the what orgs care about losing with this change. Business premium was the lowest cost license option available to non-profits that allowed access to identity management using entra.

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        Identity and access management ensures that the right people, machines, and software components get access to the right resources at the right time. First, the person, machine, or software component proves they’re who or what they claim to be. Then, the person, machine, or software component is allowed or denied access to or use of certain resources.

        So that’s what’s that called. Is that also what tracks who access what and when?

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          Yeah. Entra is basically the cloud version of Active Directory, it lets you use SAML to build single sign on systems that use your Microsoft account as the identity provider

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      And if you need it in a browser, there is Collabora, which exists as a paid business version with support or a free non-support version, that can easily be deployed with Nextcloud. Another alternative would be CryptPad.

      If you also need your mails in your browser, there are multiple providers like mailbox.org that offer mail encryption even through the online mail interface.

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      Sometimes I find myself annoyed by Lemmy users. We love to tout foss alternatives, even when they don’t work as well, or aren’t nearly as polished.

      Libre office is a different story, it has everything you’ll need, it’s really complete, it does everything you want and it can read any format you throw at it and save its output in any format you need. It launches faster than Microsoft office, it’s more stable, I really have absolutely no complaints, everyone should be using it.

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        Libre doesn’t support IDM, nor provide email, nor MFA, nor CAM, nor MDM, nor storage.

        M365 Business Premium is a LOT more than Office Documents.

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          Yeah that’s fair, I’ve seen how Office business integrates with the OS and a bunch of network services, so I’m not surprised by that. Well, for those corporate environments I expect MS will continue to be the norm. But for small businesses and home use, Libra is really fantastic.

          And honestly, for personal use I could do without all that email and calendar integration, good riddance.

          Edit: Also storage? MFA? MDM? Why would you want that in an office suite? like maybe MDM is useful, but it doesn’t belong in the office suite. And the rest of the acronyms I didn’t even recognize… So I’m being they also don’t really belong.

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            Those factors help drive MS office adoption. It’s a one stop shop. Many companies don’t want to bother with their own servers, they’d rather just buy a service.

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          Yeah it does. I’ll be honest, I don’t use spreadsheets much so I don’t have personal experience with it, but yeah it does support that.

          I was curious, so I followed up on this. Here’s what a quick Google search turned up:

          To open an XLSM file in LibreOffice Calc, you can generally open it directly. However, you might need to save it in a different format (like ODS) to ensure compatibility, especially if you’re dealing with macros. LibreOffice Basic is not directly compatible with Excel VBA macros, so you may need to rewrite the macros to use LibreOffice Basic.

          In other words, you may need to save your Excel documents as open document files, but after that their macros should work just as they did. Either way, macros are supported and in fact there are a few different scripting languages you can use.

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      GNOME Evolution is also a good outlook alternative and am pretty sure it was made as a open source alternative to outlook

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        Has it gotten a makeover yet? Last time I used it ~3 years ago it still looked like it was built in the early 90s.

        It was functional, not a complaint about that. The super old design just got on my nerves.

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    Bootstraps, folks! Microsoft is basically BEGGING you to try Linux, and it’s now easier than ever - even easier than installing Windows!

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      Unfortunately the inevitable enshitification of our lives by capitalism will continue, even if we remove it from our lives as much as we are able.

      What microsoft does to its products, it also does to our governments and civil liberties, social media does to society and democracy, data brokers do to privacy, zillow does to housing security, wallstreet does to economic mobility and financial regulations, etc, etc, etc.

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      Yeah, but non profits are bullshit in almost every instance. From the guy running a women’s homeless shelter near me that has 6 rooms but never has more than 2 occupied, one 9f which has lived there for years and seems very “friendly” with the guy running it, while he denies everyone else that tries to get in the place, but keeps collecting money, to all the large non profits that pay their people running it hundreds of thousands a year.

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        are you sure you replied to the right comment? i know crack isn’t cheap, so i’d like to try my best to save you the bandwidth

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    Microsoft has no soul. I’m going to guess that Google will follow suit. There is no class solidarity quite like corporate class solidarity. Fuck all these companies.

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    Yesterday, I finally talked my parents into canceling MS356 and switching to LibreOffice and Thunderbird.

    Now, the excessive subscription fees for MS365 goes to them instead.

    If Microsoft keeps this up, I might even manage to persuade them to switch to Linux at some point.

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      I thought from the headline that it was just a downgrade to Business Standard, no this is to Business Basic! That’s a huge yikes, it’s so much harder to be productive in those web versions.

      I honestly would not be surprised if users work out installing LibreOffice et al. so they can still have a desktop app experience because of this move.

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        I wonder if the amount of SharePoint storage will be impacted by such a license chance too. One of my clients at work will be very unhappy with these changes especially if it means they have to buy more SharePoint storage

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    But can you also get all the enterprise features they have with Linux? Like, backups, mobile device management, identity and access management, MFA? All integrated tightly and easily deployable from a portal?

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    Might as well pay up, what are you going to do learn something slightly different?