Selling iPhones made outside US: bad
Selling MAGA hats and swag made in China: art of the deal
Once again. Companies do NOT pay tariffs. They pass on those costs of those tariffs to their customers. YOU are gonna pay that extra 25% not Apple.
Step 1. Add Tarrifs.
Step 2. Wait till the share price falls.
Step 3. Buy in low.
Step 4. Lift the tariffs again.
Step 5. Wait till the share price rises.
Step 6. Profit.
The Art of Extortion.
This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
The US is turning into my games of stellaris a little bit more everyday. Oh boy you sure dont want to be in my games of stellaris guys.
You know that is somewhat true. What everyone could see when I was kid has come to pass. The people like trump and the actual billionaires in this country sold us out then. They sold us out by moving all the manufacturing offshore. Now these same greedy trash humans want all that back since they have realized that the ability to manufactures products was the United States real power. They delivered millions of my parents generation into poverty and wage slavery to make a buck by moving the job overseas. Now these horrible people and their followers are doing the same thing to try to get it back. They don’t understand nor do they care about the real people in this country. Only about themselves.
Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
The reason why manufacturing was moved offshore was because it cost more money to produce the goods in the states and they had to adhere to us regulation. Products are cheap because they’re build offshore. No one actually wants the factory jobs back in the states because they’ll be too expensive to produce, and a lot of the jobs will be done by bots anyway. If the iPhone was the be built in the states it would cost $3.5k. Billionaires want a peasant class. They’re envious of China - lots of low educated people earning nothing working long hours. Billionaires have low self esteem.
Yes of course it was because of money. They couldn’t see it then and they cant see it now.
Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
And they’re the ‘good’ ones!
What about the components? Should they also be produced in the US?
Let’s be clear, producing the iPhone in the US would be more than a 25% cost increase.
It’s coming true.
And again “tariff must be paid by Apple” really shows that he still has no idea how they work.
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
And it’s actually usable.
Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
along with the poor white folk who voted for him.
That sounds like a nice mix where nothing terrible could happen. Tons of black and brown people surrounded by the poor white rural idiots that disenfranchised both of their lives.
I wonder if he knows apple simply can not comply with this. Apple doesn’t know how to make iPhones (at the scale and rate needed) and no one in the US does either.
RIP
He still has absolutely no clue how tariffs work. Amazing for someone who throws them left and right without thinking. Although the latter might explain it.
The worst take from his opposition: “trumps such a dumb idiot”. And it’s why the left gets out-maneuvered; they imagine those on the right as only either 1. Imbeciles 2. Racists.
The right sees the left as cunning, and strategizes how to outplay them.
The left sees the right as backwards morons, and strategizes how to insult them. It seems to be the main play, and is doing him a favor by shutting down closer examination.
Trump is a demented moron who has no fucking idea what’s going on.
His faceless staff, led by Stephen Miller, are very smart and know exactly what they’re doing.
if that’s the case, if he’s just an idiot puppet, why spend energy attacking him and his character specifically? It doesn’t persuade anyone on the right, and it doesn’t help the left focus on the people pulling the strings.
The news, and left leaning communities online, have told me every day for 8+ years that trump is stupid, etc. What’s the point?
I dunno, why are we still talking about Bidens brain so often? Because it’s salacious. The absolute most braindead motherfucker is president, again, and people are pissed
It blows my mind when people say he has a reason for his tarriffs and it’s about enrichen his friends. He’s braindead and tarriffs is just the new word he learned. Tim Apple is gonna be mad.
What does he not understand correctly here?
Did trump just confuse a possessive s for a plural s?
This past Monday, John Stewart of The Daily Show interviewed Patrick Mcgee who discussed the jaw-dropping amounts of money Apple spent building out Chinese electronics supply chains which had deep implications. -It made for an interesting case if true.
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
No, tim doesn’t get baked, but we’re planning on it tonight
I want to elect Pine for the next CEO
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
and expanding railways
Do it.
Rest assured if they fix the rail system or will be to put us in cattle cars on a rather unfun one way trip.
Yeah fr we should, but we haven’t and we probably won’t so it’s silly to expect the manufacturing to pop up out of thin air.
But we can just import some of the things we need as we build up the more valuable end of supply chains. I’m sure they’ve thought of that and there are no tariffs impeding those prerequisites, right? Right?
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
Excuse me, sir. There is no town in Mississippi called “Bumfuck”. That town is firmly within the boundaries of Iowa.
Mississippi would never stoop to the level of Iowa in having Bumfuck, Iowa. Mississippi is more elegant in its nomenclature. Thus, if you wish to make a point about a town in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi, please respect Mississippi by referring to such a town as Cousin-Hump, Mississippi. Thank you.
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
Did you ask around? I’m sure you can go into any biker bar in that state and ask for bumfuck
If that… I imagine they were white label products so not even those taught him anything
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
Ts the entire supply chain that’s the problem. I keep reading stories about Apple pre-buying the entire output of factories for multiple years. For the thousands of parts in a modern phone, how do you expect entire parts industries to spring up overnight on the scale that Apple sells phones? Then entire resource and tooling chains to support those? And we’re making it even more impossible with blindly applying tariffs everywhere so you couldn’t even get established
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, each and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
No, the US Purism phone is not 100% American.
They have a different supply chain for it where European manufacturers are used for some parts.
But some things are only made in China. So I think what was said is Purism source some of the raw materials for these items and have them made to a higher tolerance for reliability.
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
The other problem with moving manufacturing due to tariffs is that tariffs can always be changed, whereas moving manufacturing is a longer term investment that can cost millions, if not billions when it comes to things like chip fabs. No one wants to make an investment like that, only to have their investment suddenly become worthless because some politician decided to change how the tariffs work.
Trump’s idiotic and constant flip-flopping on these tariffs have completely destroyed any chance of them actually accomplishing anything (not that they really had a great chance of that in the first place, but anyway…), because no one is going to move a factory to the US when Trump can and will change his mind based upon a whim or whoever is whispering in his ear that moment.
tariffs could work if you’re not the US. the problem is the US doesn’t make anything.
for normal countries you could use tariffs to encourage products made inside the country. but for that to haopen:
- you need the products to already be manufactured inside the country
- you need to have targeted tariffs that apply specifically to those products and not blanket tariffs that would apply to each and every part of product, which would make it infinitely more expensive to manufacture inside the country than outside.
so for example if your country has a decent production of bananas but people for some reason prefer to buy imported bananas way more than homemade ones, you might have some tariffs on bananas to try and reduce waste.
for that to be effective, you can’t also have tariffs on soil, farming equipment and whatnot that might be going into your homemade potato production. otherwise you’d have homemade potatoes more expensive then imported ones.
Blind, overall tariffs can’t work anywhere.
Pretty much every country, including US, has successfully applied targeted tariffs to specific things for specific reasons. Usually you’re protecting an existing industry, but you could even build a supply chain by balancing it with targeted incentives, and bringing them together with a long term strategy to grow that specific segment.
For example, we used to have a complex strategy for helping legacy car manufacturers transition to new technology. We had incentives to build a market, manufacturing incentives and other assistance, we had targeted loans and guided research to build the technology, obtain the resources, build the infrastructure, we had well targeted tariffs protecting them from specific “predatory” countries, and much more. In a decade or so, our legacy automakers would have transitioned to new technology, with at least similar manufacturing presence in the us and a strong global presence. It was slow, bumbling and inconsistent but it would have worked. Now we’re likely to end up with failing manufacturers unable to compete on the global market, and with their us market shrinking to nothing as they continue to focus on large, inefficient, outdated, polluting technology that can only be sold locally.
Tariffs can also be an effective way of balancing buisness advantages. An example: Germany has quite high standards in its farming sector. This applys to what pesticides you are allowed to use, how much fertiliser you can use, what conditions animals have to live in and so on. Everything that you have to do to comply with these rules costs money, so in order to still make a profit you need to charge quite high prices. If you then compare these with the almost non existent standards of, as example Brazil, you quickly realise, that they are capable of producing goods much cheaper (who could have guessed, that its cheaper if you can just imassively increase your land by land grabbing, giving a shit on everything and using the most efficient, but very cruel, ways to feed and hold your livestock). Due to this, beef that gets imported into Germany from Brazil, thanks to Mercosur without any tariffs, will be magnitudes cheaper than locally made. This kills your local farming sector and also does massive damage to Brazil’s citizen and enviroment (its a massive brainfuck how farming works there). If you want to counteract this you could charge tariffs, so that the consumer starts preferring locally made products, because they are cheaper. This also is an incentive for Brazil to better regulate its farming industry.
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
Nah I’m with you. I loved him back in the TDS days but over time his show started to get stale, to me
i don’t think it’s stale just to be clear, bad things are just happening too fast. there’s nothing TDS can do about it really.
Fair, I just stopped liking his show for some reason. I was pretty happy that Jon Stewart came back though
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Bro really went off on him…
And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
Plus a consistent supportive economic policy. I haven’t read the book to know what’s included in that $55B, but I know it’s been a long term effort and no business will try to build such capability in chaos and personality cults.
Republicans talk about being best for business is sort of like their “family values”: mostly talk, mostly opposite
Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
But he wants it all American. Not just non-Chinese.
this is not about china
Trump has become schizophrenic again.
Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Honestly he sounds like just about every old man I’ve ever met, rambling on about whatever nonsense is running through his head at any given moment.
That’s unfortunate. Most octogenarians I’ve met are far more thoughtful and kind than Trump has ever been.
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
nah they just need to survive the storm for a yeas and a half and start funding dems house races. far cheaper than allowing you to repair your device.
4 more years of this comedy over there, im laughing too much already! xD
it’s not very funny
It is kinda funny watching the American Exceptionalism finally crumble before our eyes. Shame most Americans aren’t reflective enough to realise what’s happening.
This 100%. You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think Americans realize how irritating their fellow countrymen can be on the internet and in person to non Americans. There’s also the defaultism as if everyone is American (or wants to be American) which gets REALLY tiring after a while
American exceptionalism is the belief that word special, for good or bad. It’s just pouring on a different kind of Americans exceptionalists, the one who think our trajectory is something new.
Also, we do. A lot of us do…
Hysst. Let me enjoy my schadenfreude till the stench reaches here.
Better to laugh with its stupidity than to cry for it
Its extremely funny seeing idiot Americans who voted (and those who didnt vote at all) for a 34 count rapist felon, seditionous traitor and then protest by holding little signs and wearing pink jackets.
You guys only use your 2nd amendment rights in schools against children. America is a circus and Americans are the clowns.
The people who go out and protest are very likely people who voted, and not for him.
I wish I could argue with this.
What you are doing is lumping 65% of the population that isn’t like that with the 35% minority that is partially like that. Don’t be ignorant.
Adding up the people who didn’t vote to the people that voted for the orange one, it’s more like 65% of USAmericans are like that
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Interestingly, I don’t think that’s going to happen. OPEC could decide to ramp up production if USA lowers theirs. Demand for oil isn’t rising the way it used to due to alternatives not only becoming viable but actually cheaper as well.
OPEC will reduce production if the price of oil goes too low.
yea, probably so
In a recession with lower demand and everyone hunkering down oil prices probably decline.
it effects the entire world pal, just cause its not visibly right outside your front door doesnt mean youre above it
also, being smug is a shitty look
are you going to keep laughing when he extorts another world leader of a country Russia is invading? Or helps finish off palestine for good?
Thank you for your attention to this matter
Let’s not armchair diagnose people, please.
I think you suffer from anti armchair diagnosis.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read all day but I’ve been chuckling about it for a good couple of minutes.
Armchair Derangement Syndrome. It’ll be in the DRM-3000, the biggest and best book by the bestest doctors who have spent decades researching the woke mind virus. It’ll also cover things like “Fluoride Delusion Disorder” - the belief that fluoride in public water isn’t a government brainwashing program.
It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
I think most people on here are frustrated with the “sanewashing” by most media outlets.
The drumbeat of “ableism” is more of a bell ringing to make sure that people understand that Krasnov is very unwell and seriously unfit for any decision making position.
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
Krasnov
Wat?
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
Oh, I forgot that Truman, the only person in history to actually use nuclear weapons, famously only did so because he had depression. Or he was a perfectly mentally well person who was also a racist to the extent that he didn’t care about the lives of Japanese children. One of those. I always get it confused.
Anyway, the answer to who I would loan a gun to and who should be capable of launching a nuclear strike is the same: no one. But I would trust your averaged depressed person with the nuclear codes more than I would Trump. To be clear: if Trump has a mental illness, that is not the thing that is wrong with him. What’s wrong with him is that he’s a fascist.
They don’t hate people with disabilities, they just don’t want them to be President.
I had a co-worker who said he didn’t want a woman to be president because “she’d start a war every month.” I guess he’s not really misogynist like I thought.
That’s ableist though. Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
(Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all so don’t feel like glorifying them).
Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
We’re not talking about “disabled people”, we’re talking about people with mental illness that impairs them.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
Physical disability is absolutely not be the same thing. Would you vote fuckin Ted Bundy for President?
Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all
Okay so just complete anarchy then? Everyone for themselves?
Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all
Okay so just complete anarchy then? Everyone for themselves?
Lol, is this your first time encountering an anarchist?
No I’m just in complete shock that they exist every time. It’s like coming across a flat-earther.
Airline pilots and train drivers must be passed as mentally fit before they’re allowed to control the destiny of a few thousand people.
Perhaps at least that much care could be taken with the job that holds the ability to launch nuclear weapons.
Let’s. And don’t tell us what to do.
I think I will. Thanks for your input though.
Yeah I don’t like the sort of sanism it often implies.
You’re right. There’s absolutely no evidence of Trump being not of sound mind.
Lmfao
